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Jazz
06-26-2008, 12:53 PM
High court strikes down gun ban
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NEW: Poll finds 67 percent of Americans say Constitution grants right to own gun

Antonin Scalia: It's not role of court "to pronounce the Second Amendment extinct"

Justices split 5-4 in favor of overturning Washington's handgun ban

Ruling could spark debate on whether right to own gun is collective or individual

From Bill Mears
CNN Supreme Court Producer
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The U.S. Supreme Court ruled Thursday that a sweeping ban on handguns in the nation's capital violated the Second Amendment right to bear arms.

The justices voted 5-4 against the ban, with Justice Antonin Scalia writing the opinion for the majority.

At issue in District of Columbia v. Heller was whether Washington's ban violated the right to "keep and bear arms" by preventing individuals -- as opposed to state militias -- from having guns in their homes.

"Undoubtedly some think that the Second Amendment is outmoded in a society where our standing army is the pride of our nation, where well-trained police forces provide personal security and where gun violence is a serious problem," Scalia wrote. "That is perhaps debatable, but what is not debatable is that it is not the role of this court to pronounce the Second Amendment extinct." Watch different views on guns in America ?

Scalia was joined by Chief Justice John Roberts and Justices Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas, who are all considered conservative voices on the court. Justice Anthony Kennedy, often seen as a swing vote, also joined the majority.

District of Columbia officials argued they had the responsibility to impose "reasonable" weapons restrictions to reduce violent crime, but several Washingtonians challenged the 32-year-old law. Some said they had been constant victims of crimes and needed guns for protection.

In March 2007, a federal appeals court overturned the ban, which keeps most private citizens from owning handguns and keeping them in their homes.

It was the first time a federal appeals court ruled a gun law unconstitutional on Second Amendment grounds. iReport.com: What's your reaction to the ruling?

City attorneys urged the high court to intervene, warning, "The District of Columbia -- a densely populated urban locality where the violence caused by handguns is well-documented -- will be unable to enforce a law that its elected officials have sensibly concluded saves lives."

There were 143 gun-related murders in Washington last year, compared with 135 in 1976, when the handgun ban was enacted.

The Second Amendment says, "A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

The wording repeatedly has raised the question of whether gun ownership is an individual right, or a collective one pertaining to state militias and therefore subject to regulation.

In an Opinion Research Corp. poll of 1,035 adult Americans this month, 67 percent of those surveyed said they felt the Second Amendment gave individuals the right to own guns. Thirty percent said it provided citizens the right to form a militia. The poll had a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points. See poll results ?

The Supreme Court has avoided the question since the Bill of Rights was ratified in 1791. The high court last examined the issue in 1939 but stayed away from the broad constitutional question.

Only Chicago, Illinois, has a handgun ban as sweeping as Washington's, though Maryland, Massachusetts and San Francisco, California, joined the Windy City in issuing briefs supporting the district's ban.

The National Rifle Association, Disabled Veterans for Self-Defense and the transgender group Pink Pistols -- along with 31 states -- filed briefs supporting the District of Columbia's gun owners.

In February, a majority of U.S. congressmen -- 55 senators and 250 representatives -- filed a brief urging the Supreme Court to strike down Washington's ordinance.

"Our founders didn't intend for the laws to be applied to some folks and not to others," Sen. Jon Tester, D-Montana, said at the time.

Washington's ban applies only to handguns. The city allows possession of rifles and shotguns, although it requires that they be kept in the home, unloaded and fitted with locks or disassembled.

Jazz
06-26-2008, 06:00 PM
At the risk of sounding like a gun nut I’m going to have to say that I actually think many people forget that when the founding fathers wrote the bill of rights, they themselves had only shortly before hand been rebels fighting against what had been the established and legitimate government of the colonies (i.e. England). So, I have to also say that I really do think the founding fathers would support my owning a tank within some context. Certainly they did not have cannon’s at the beginning of the Revolutionary War, but they did capture both ships and canons in time, which would have been the most destructive weapons of the time. I tend to think that unlike the people of today, they considered the people of the land the last and greatest arm of government and the last check and balance against the tyranny of the state. Living in the wealthy and tolerant land that the U.S. is, we often forget that the governments of other countries routinely slaughter their citizens. There but for the grace of GUN go we!

blazin_slp_z28
06-26-2008, 07:42 PM
amen brother....

socalmach
06-26-2008, 08:08 PM
Your a gun nut.

Kidding, speaking of that I need to clean mine.

Jazz
06-26-2008, 08:20 PM
East Coast Dometics First Annual Shootin' Outin! Anyone interested in getting together a Bob's or some other location. We can rent the entire range for a few hours if we can get enough people.

The_rabbit1
06-27-2008, 09:28 AM
i'm up for it!

socalmach
06-27-2008, 10:27 AM
I can't shoot mine inside. It's a WWII Russian sniper rifle.

novajoe
07-03-2008, 03:49 PM
I vote for a shooting!

The_rabbit1
07-04-2008, 02:32 AM
I vote for a shooting!

tell me... would you like a quick death, slow death, or a gangland type drilling.

novajoe
07-11-2008, 04:10 PM
tell me... would you like a quick death, slow death, or a gangland type drilling.


Depends on the cost? I would like the best value you know LOL