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Jazz
03-10-2008, 12:57 AM
Bill to repeal abusive driver fees passes effective immediately!!!

By BOB LEWIS and DENA POTTER
Associated Press Writers


RICHMOND, Va. (AP) -- The General Assembly passed a bill Saturday to repeal high fees on Virginia residents for various traffic offenses, and it could take effect in days.

In an abrupt reversal, Senate Republicans who had voted against the measure, denying it the four-fifths majority necessary to make the repeal effective immediately, called the bill up for reconsideration and voted for it.

Eliminating the vilified surcharges was a priority for most lawmakers. The fees became law last year as part of the first comprehensive funding increase for transportation since 1986, enacted to generate $65 million annually for highway maintenance.

When Virginians discovered last spring that nonresidents were not subject to the "civil remedial fees" that were generally $1,000 each and up, they were outraged.

The first Senate bill filed this year, Senate Bill 1 by Sen. R. Edward Houck, was to repeal the fees and refund those already collected.

A repeal became assured in early January when Gov. Timothy M. Kaine conceded that after six months, the fees had failed to approach the estimated revenue yield and that highway deaths had soared in 2007 in spite of them.

Two bills to repeal the fees were before the House and Senate on Saturday for final passage. Houck's was a simple repeal, but the other was "emergency legislation" that would have made it effective on Kaine's signature.

Both bills sailed through the House on Saturday with only one dissenting vote.

But in the Senate, Kenneth W. Stolle argued forcefully against it. Stolle, R-Virginia Beach and a lawyer, said that lawmakers had the power to repeal legislation, but they had no constitutional authority to absolve license suspensions against people who have been unable to pay the fees.

"This should not be about what's politically correct but what's legally correct," said Stolle.

His argument persuaded 10 other senators - all fellow Republicans - to oppose the House version of the bill. The subsequent 29-11 vote was three fewer than the 32 yes votes required to pass emergency legislation in the 40-seat Senate. After that came Houck's bill, which passed on a 30-10 vote.

Less than 30 minutes later, however, Sen. Thomas K. Norment and seven other Republicans had thought better of their politically unpopular votes and brought the bill back for reconsideration. On the do-over, it passed 37-3 with Stolle and fellow Republicans Richard Stuart and John Watkins dissenting.

Houck's bill, also reconsidered, was passed on the same vote, with the same three senators voting no.

The_rabbit1
03-10-2008, 01:03 AM
heard about that one, they still came up with the new law, anyone here required to have an FR44?

ReoCamaro
03-10-2008, 01:33 AM
What an FR44?

The_rabbit1
03-10-2008, 06:26 AM
SR-22 certification is required for the following convictions

Unsatisfied judgements
Driver license suspension as a result of a conviction for:

Voluntary or involuntary manslaughter resulting from the operation of a motor vehicle.
Perjury, making a false affidavit to DMV regarding the registration of motor vehicles, or making a false statement on any driver's license application.
Any crime punishable as a felony under the motor vehicle law or any felony in the commission of which a motor vehicle is used.
Failure of a driver of a motor vehicle, involved in an accident resulting in death or injury to another person, to stop and disclose his identity at the scene of the accident.
Operating or permitting the operation, for a second time, of a passenger automobile for transportation of passengers for rent or for hire, without a license.

Uninsured motor vehicle suspension

SR-22 liability insurance coverage limits are:


Bodily injury/death of one person $25,000
Bodily injury/death of two or more persons $50,000
Property damage $20,000

FR-44/FR-46 Financial Responsibility Certification

FR-44 certification is required on or after January 1, 2008 for the following convictions:

Maiming while under the influence
Driving while under the influence of intoxicants or drugs
Driving while the driver's license has been forfeited for a conviction, or finding of not innocent in the case of a juvenile
Violation of the provisions of any federal law or law of any other state or any valid local ordinance similar to the above

FR-44 liability insurance coverage limits are double the SR-22 insurance coverage limits:

Bodily injury/death of one person $50,000
Bodily injury/death of two or more persons $100,000
Property damage $40,000


The new FR-44 double minimum coverage requirements apply to customers convicted of the above violations on or after January 1, 2008, as well as customers previously convicted of these violations that are required to file an SR-22 certification beyond December 31, 2008

If you reside outside Virginia, you may submit a letter on your insurance provider's letterhead stating the double minimum coverage amounts.

DMV will suspend the driving privilege of anyone who does not comply with this requirement by filing an FR-44 certification prior to January 1, 2009.

blazin_slp_z28
03-10-2008, 07:21 AM
f**k virginia, that's one of the reasons i left for good, only to come back for an occasional visit...

JerseyLS1
03-10-2008, 10:45 AM
VA laws are all sorts of messed up. That is why all of my things are staying registered in NJ at my REAL home. Here is to hoping I can get transfered to Ng-Sperry in MD or PA in the next few years.

ReoCamaro
03-10-2008, 12:05 PM
It sounds like Fr-44 is just to screw with the drunks... I just don't see the problem with that.

The_rabbit1
03-10-2008, 11:03 PM
It sounds like Fr-44 is just to screw with the drunks... I just don't see the problem with that.

I say just take their f'in cars like they do in NY, they'll stop doing it then.

Profit Of Doom
03-13-2008, 06:22 PM
I think the abusive drivers fees were a good idea just way too widespread... make the moron that runs from the cops have to pay 10,000 to get his license back fine with me...

Profit Of Doom
03-13-2008, 06:23 PM
now I make a living messing with drunks.. and so do other people on the board and I would say they could tell you that lumping all dui's into the same category not quite right... some are habitual dumbasses and some are just unfortunate errors in decisions....

The_rabbit1
03-13-2008, 07:04 PM
in New York I believe the 3rd DUI they take your car. and if you still owe on it, you get to keep the payments.